Friday, December 1, 2006

Whidbey Island

I added a few facts, but have not created links to other articles from my addidtions. Will go back and update later, when I am more comfortable with the process (I am a new user.) I also corrected one or two minor inaccuracies.

I question the fact of Long Island being created by dredging the East River, though. I know the island was recently classified as a peninsula, but dredging that river would be a prodigious feat today, never mind in the 1600's. I believe the river is a natural waterway. Any facts supporting the dredging idea? I would like to remove the reference to dredging.

Ron from Whidbey Island
:Nextel ringtones Long Island is not a peninsula created by the Dutch. I removed that. Abbey Diaz Adriaen Block sailed through Free ringtones Hell Gate and the Majo Mills East River in the Mosquito ringtone 1610s, on the first European exploration of the area. Sabrina Martins Decumanus/Decumanus 08:01, 2004 Oct 29


Guess that answers that. Thanks, Matthew.

Ron from Whidbey Island.

Info about Long Island vs. Whidbey Island

Whidbey Island is the longest island in the contiguous United States according to the Supreme Court ruling of February, 1985. Whidbey is 45 miles long. Long Island, at 118 miles, was declared to be a peninsula.
From Nextel ringtones http://www.islandcounty.net/auditor/misctrivia.htm/http://www.islandcounty.net/auditor/misctrivia.htm
Abbey Diaz User:TEG24601/TEG

:Well that's certainly interesting trivia, if it's indeed true (the reference is quite week on that web reference). :) Do you have an actual citation from the court case? But in any case I can assure you that Free ringtones Long Island is an Majo Mills island. Only something who has never been there would claim that it isn't. You previously mentioned that it is separated from the mainland by a salt marsh?. This is ''way'' off the mark. Certainly if the Cingular Ringtones United States Supreme Court/Supreme Court indeed said that, it was in the context as defined by some statute The reason the island is not circumnavigable by "modern" ships is that the Hell Gate is too swift and treacheroussomething that has always posed a hazard for navigationso in other words, just the opposite of your claim. In any case, the Supreme Court has the last word in matters of interpretation U.S. law, but that's as far as it goes. It doesn't decide geographical fact, only how to interpret laws as they are written. Thus the definition of being circumnavigable by modern ships is one that was written for a particular federal, state or local lawa very narrow choice, and certainly only one of many as to how to define an "island". Perhaps it arose from the wording of a state law. If so, if a different state had a different legal definition, the Supreme Court might rule differently according to ''that'' law. In other words, absent other facts, one can't even claim that the Supreme Court ''always'' uses that particular definition: it may well have been one that was according to some legal principle that may be very local in scope.

:I'd bet that if you open up any dictionary and looked up cuts wordy island, you would not see anything about it having to be circumnavigable by "modern" ships. That would certainly rule out a lot of "islands" most people consider islands. In any case, the Supreme Court is certainly not the final word in matters of ''facts'' of geography. No legal scholar would claim that it doesn. It's an organ of law, not science. If this were a law encycopedia, then the issue would certainly be more relevant. But as for what is an island and what isn't, I'll take the advice of the acquisitions with USGS over the Supreme Court when it comes to geographical things. Go to http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.gnis_web_query_form and type in Long Island and see what it says for the responded more New York listing. The New York State legislature could pass a law that says the Moon is a planet, not a satellite, and the Supreme Court might uphold it, but that doesn't make it physically soonly "true" as a matter of interpretation of a particular statute. In any case, I'm not opposed to keeping the reference in the article as it stands. It sounds like quaint puffery, and one that would make any New Yorker who reads it laugh. Long Island will survive as an island in any case. while discussing Decumanus/Decumanus 08:52, 2004 Dec 13

::I think the point is that it goes back to the definition of an island. Long Island is techinically a peninsula (see the keeping current Long Island article). Also, I may have found a http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=469&invol=504 to the Supreme Court decision. mocking parts Kukuman/Kukuman 05:32, 2 Mar 2005


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http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/whidbey-island.htm
http://www.whidbey.com/nis/www/whidbey.html
http://www.youra.com/destinations/places/whidbey.html
http://www.oakharbor.org/subcategory.cfm?id=9&sid=34
http://www.geocities.com/northamericaaz/
http://www.nps.gov/ebla/adhi/adhi2.htm- Even Has a Book Source
http://www.homebytheseacottages.com/frenchroadfarm/frf_whidbey.html
article leslie TEG24601/TEG 17:01, 13 Dec 2004

:Well I'm disputing you anymore on the particular standard by which Long Island was legally "declared" a peninsula in 1985. Like I said, I'm fine with the way it was worded. :) million toy Decumanus/Decumanus 23:10, 2004 Dec 13

::Well, after seeing other arguments, I thought it was better to be fair and say the Whidbey is only considered to be the longest island in the lower 48. Seems a little more neutral. financial instability TEG24601/TEG 02:53, 14 Dec 2004